We know, overall, that therapy works. We know rather less, however, about precisely what makes it work.

How do we help maintain client engagement and reduce dropout? How do we build hope and motivation and sustain it? How can we hold focus on therapy goals and measure progress? What can we do when things aren’t progressing?

A growing body of research is providing answers to these and many other questions. It can be hard to access the relevant research, however. It can also be hard to interpret, especially if we don’t ‘do’ numbers.

Therapy Meets Numbers (TMN for short) is a resource that provides a bridge between research, evaluation, and therapy practice. We aim to take the hard work out of research and evaluation, to help you use their findings to create the best therapy experience for every client.

Building bridges between research, evaluation and practice

Our regular blogs will highlight relevant research and put it across in a way that you can translate into practice.

We’ll aim to shed light on the mysteries of routine evaluation and help to show that it needn’t be scary, and can provide another valuable means by which we can elicit feedback from our clients.

We know that most therapists love stories, so we’ll be sharing some of our own stories of success and failure, as well as those of other therapists and services. Over time we aim to supplement the blogs with podcasts and other resources, and for Therapy Meets Numbers to become less of a resource and more of a community.

TMN is the creation (at least initially) of Barry McInnes and Giles Hales-Tooke. You can read more about us below. It will be nothing without you, however, so please join with us in helping to shape it. Tell us what you like, what you don’t like, and what else you’d like to see. We’ll be listening!

How can I join in?

We want you to feel part of Therapy Meets Numbers and be part of our development. Like therapists, we’ll improve with feedback. So please don’t be a stranger.

Whether it’s commenting on a blog (we’re not asking for War and Peace), checking out how our consultancy may be able to help you, or just saying ‘HI’, let us know you’re out there. You can:


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A little about us


Barry is an independent therapist, service consultant, writer and blogger, passionate Hispanophile and co-creator of Therapy Meets Numbers.

He has worked in the therapy field for over thirty years, starting as a volunteer in a youth counselling service. A range of roles in therapy and mental health followed, including youth counselling, managing a local MIND service, and Head of Service for the Royal College of Nursing Counselling (RCN) Service.

Early in his time at the RCN Barry came to view the development of evidence as a critical part of building effective, efficient and sustainable services. His service implemented the CORE monitoring and evaluation system in 1998 and CORE PC software in 2001.

By the time of his departure in 2005, the service had grown into one of the top performing therapy services in the UK, with 84% of clients entering therapy reaching a planned ending. Of those, 85% achieved a clinical and/or reliable improvement. As Barry is at pains to point out, that level of performance didn’t come about by chance, and you can read more of that journey here.

Building on this learning Barry joined CORE Information Management Systems in 2005, initially as an independent consultant delivering UK-wide training and consultancy for outcome measurement and service development, and subsequently as Director of Training and Development.

Since 2010 Barry has been fully independent and his portfolio includes consultancy to services, writing and blogging. He remains passionate about the role of research, evaluation and feedback in creating the best therapy experience for every client.

Born, and having spent the earliest years of his life in Peru, Barry is a passionate Hispanophile. In a parallel universe, he is spinning his bike wheels on the quieter roads of Valencia province in Spain, absorbing Vitamin D and recovering his long-lost Spanish.


Giles has been involved in media for over thirty years, starting in local radio before moving to the bright lights of the West End and film & TV post production, working in a number of leading post production houses. A growing interest in computer animation, sound synthesis and then system workflow management led to increasing experience in software development.

 His perspective made a sudden shift to that of a client, after a series of life-changing events left him suffering extreme anxiety with bouts of severe depression. In an especially dark moment, way out in the boundaries of life he realised he “needed to pull something out of the bag” else he might not make it home. He started to explore ways of using technology to aid his recovery.

Three years after his first attack he was able to confront his triggers in similar circumstances and not succumb to the symptoms. He has been panic free for eighteen years. Clear that the tools he developed made a critical contribution to his own recovery, and spurred on by the requests of others for something similar, he has been involved in the pursuit of wellbeing through technology ever since.

His ongoing research includes human, computerised, 1 to 1, social, reflective, active and responsive interactions. As co-creator of Therapy Meets Numbers, he sees the incredible value that research & outcome measurement can bring.  As he writes in his (upcoming) blog:

because it was in the heat of that moment back in the dark days, that moment of self doubt, and failure, and all consuming blackness that I was able to look at the dial and see that despite everything …. today shows better than yesterday … and then I remember that thing that happened this morning … somewhere deep down my mood lifts ever so slightly and I’m able to move on … and repeated that day moves on to this day … and this day is a very different story

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